Lye by Mistake
Lye by Mistake were an instrumentally virtuosic experimental metal band from St. Louis, Missouri, active 2004-2011, who moved from vocal mathcore on their 2006 debut Arrangements for Fulminating Vective to fully instrumental jazz-fusion metal on 2009's Fea Jur after vocalist Tony Saputo's 2008 departure. Reviewers likened their guitar work to jazz-fusion players like Pat Metheny and Al Di Meola grafted onto a Meshuggah-indebted metal chassis. They toured alongside mathcore-scene peers including Psyopus, The Number Twelve Looks Like You, Cattle Decapitation, and Arsonists Get All the Girls.
SCORE PROFILE
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WHY THOSE SCORES
- Jazzy 7 — Second album Fea Jur (2009) is described as a 'jazz fusion metal' record built on Pat Metheny-style guitar sensibilities with improvisation 'at the forefront.'
- Hardcore 5 — Debuted in 2006 with 'scorching, jazzy mathcore' on Arrangements for Fulminating Vective and toured the mathcore/hardcore circuit.
- Death 2 — Reviewers trace some of the heavy riffing to a djent lineage 'innovated by Meshuggah.'
- Technical 8 — Praised as 'mind-numbingly technical,' with virtuosic arpeggios and scale runs likened to Al Di Meola and Liquid Tension Experiment.
MEMBERS
- Josh Baumanguitar
- Bob-e Riteguitar
- Johnnie Truesdalebass
- Drew Buttondrums/percussion
- Tony Saputovocals (departed 2008)
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- UnaffiliatedEI 14Black Heart SutraTechnicalJazzyHardcore
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- UnaffiliatedEI 8Burning GhostsJazzyTechnical
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